If you meant shunning based exclusively on those who have been victims of child abuse then first you should have said it. We just went through a whole discussion with many people that just because child pornography is put into a second document as the first, saying it is a crime, that is not a valid way to read it, that the meaning is clear. Second, if you are basing it exclusively on those of child abuse then you can't use ray Franz as your example since his is not an equated example.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
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Wow FastJehu, you are just like orphan crow in just taking a small fraction of a statement and make it apply to what you want it to apply too. Here is the full statement of that paragraph.
Immediately Judas left the group. A comparison of Matthew 26:20-29 with John 13:21-30indicates that he departed before Jesus instituted the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal. Luke’s presentation of this incident evidently is not in strict chronological order, for Judas had definitely left by the time Christ commended the group for having stuck with him; that would not fit Judas, nor would he have been taken into the “covenant . . . for a kingdom.”
Also notice that in the parallel acocunt in John it says:
After saying these things, Jesus became troubled in spirit, and he bore witness, saying: “Most truly I say to you, one of you will betray me.”+22 The disciples began to look at one another, being at a loss as to which one he was talking about.+ 23 One of the disciples, the one whom Jesus loved,+ was reclining close to* Jesus. 24 Therefore, Simon Peter nodded to this one and said to him: “Tell us whom he is talking about.” 25 So the latter leaned back on the chest of Jesus and said to him: “Lord, who is it?”+26 Jesus answered: “It is the one to whom I will give the piece of bread that I dip.”+ So after dipping the bread, he took it and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Is·carʹi·ot. 27 After Judas took the piece of bread, then Satan entered into him.+ So Jesus said to him: “What you are doing, do it more quickly.” 28 However, none of those reclining at the table knew why he said this to him. 29 Some, in fact, were thinking that since Judas was holding the money box,+ Jesus was telling him, “Buy what we need for the festival,” or that he should give something to the poor. 30 So after he received the piece of bread, he went out immediately. And it was night.+
1 Corinthians 9:11
NIV:
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
NLT:
I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don't even eat with such people.
ESV:But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
NASB:
But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one.
Is that enough translations and versions or would you like more.
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How did Jesus not shun Judas dubstepped?
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Hey Outlaw how about you not respond to any of my statements anymore. i can go out and find my own stupid memes and just show it to myself since that is all you do anyways, you don't have anything to contribute but memes. I am the dumb one for actually saying something so your just a dumb mute because you won't even talk.
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ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released
by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
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LoveUniHateExams Please read your own question:
LoveUniHateExams16 hours ago
@Richard Oliver - why do JWs shun disassociated people?
Where in your question did you state that of child abuse victims. I answered your question. So yes Jesus did shun someone who was going to participate in a plot to kill him, but he did choose to shun Judas. Second, JWs believe in the comments to Timothy that All scriptures are inspired by God, so it is not that just because Jesus didn't say something doesn't mean that Christians don't believe it, that is true for most denominations of Christians.
Also, I know that I will be accused of being callous and un-loving, but those that have gone through a traumatic situation does not get a pass for everything else that they do in their life. Look at how the law views veterans who have post-traumatic stress disorder and then commit a crime, there past does come into play for mitigation of a punishment but doesn't mean that they aren't punished for the things that they do later in life. Would you excuse a person who had sexually abused a child because as a child the perpetrator was abused as a child? No you wouldn't, you may want some mercy to be shown to them and the punishment to be less severe but you would still expect that person to be punished.
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Yes that is my answer. I feel that one who is DA is just as someone who is DF.
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http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/crime/article39058014.html
Shows that Elders did view it as a form of child abuse and did answer questions even though the defendant later claimed that it was a matter of clergy-pentinent privilege.
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I agree that they should have articulated the stand of Jehovah's Witnesses better and to be quite honest most anything would have been a better response than what was given. I think that they should have expected that as a question and had prepared it better or put it in their opening statement so that they could have pointed to the statement.
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by jwleaks inall exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
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I did choose to answer. You just don't like the answer.
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Sorry. In the case that I was referencing I incorrectly stated it was a civil matter. It was that the defendant tried to have the evidence suppressed because of the communication between the elders and him over the child pornography. The court rejected that appeal.